The Libertarians (L)- "Let the Market Sort It Out"So, which are you?Characteristics of this psychologic construct include:
- Free market sunny optimism
- Faith in human nature, against all odds
- Competition will assure price controls
- Complete denial of the human frailty and greed
- Cynical about humanitarianism
Fairy Tale Believers (F)- "I'm not comfortable with anyone going without anything"Distrustful (D) - "No stick is big enough"
- Insist on fear-based appeasement: if you don't give them what they want, the peasants will come knocking at your door.
- Secret elitist belief that I'll get what I want anyway
- Infantile inflexibility to alternatives from their beliefs
- I'll-hold-my-breath-until-you-cry-uncle form of debate
- Discomfort with their own aggression or shadow side
- Politically active
Characteristics of this psychologic construct include:Alfred E. Neumann (A) - "What Me Worry?"
- Aggrieved, victim mentality
- Some history of real inequities or being disenfranchised which colors all perceptions
- Safety first - no quality control will ever be enough
- Doctors are greedy and will work best a pernicious, punitive environment
- Group oversight is superior to individual oversight
- There can never be enough bean-counters
- Politically active - often protest marchers
This group never has health care issues until they do. Characteristics include:
- Immature, emotionally unmodulated
- Extreme anxiety/neediness in the hospital but complete denial when they hit the exit door.
- Discussions of doctor availability are of no relevance until they are pressing the nurse call button
- Politically inactive, rarely vote
To date, many doctors have lived in our own fairy land when it comes to health care policy. We have preferred to insist that human beings will think in a fair-minded, scientific, data-based manner. Who would have known that we should have had a psychology or marketing degree? Perhaps this is why the debate has become so divisive.
Unless we address these powerful, subliminal psychologies head-on, our influence on the larger social policies influencing health care delivery in the future will remain limited.
-Wes
Its like those against stem cell research until they get that body part from an animal that is reject free because of stem cell research... then of course there is a tune change.
ReplyDeleteSomewhat premature. There are no clinical stem cell treatments available yet. And the precise problem is immune system rejection.
ReplyDeleteThis might change. Further research is warranted. But, physicists, with a "simpler" problem, haven't been able to get tokamak machines to work for 40 years.
Libertarians don't deny greed, libertarians say we should harness it. It's the non-libertarians who deny greed in one form or another.
ReplyDeleteNo, it is nothing like stem cell research. The "issue" with stem cell research is on the source of embryonic stem cells and the fear that allowing embryonic stem cells would lead to a market for them. There are serious ethical issues with that (farming embryos, for example).
ReplyDeleteIn fact, you will find that almost all opposition melts away when you are talking about adult stem cells. Only a handful of kooks get upset about that. Mainstream pro-lifers are actually enthusiastic about adult stem cell research, and ironically, it's been shown to be far more viable.
"Libertarians don't deny greed, libertarians say we should harness it. It's the non-libertarians who deny greed in one form or another."
ReplyDeleteQFT. Wes, would you please respond directly to that point?
Ackisom-
ReplyDeleteHarness greed? Um, how?
While the concept sounds good, the ability to harness a property that is, by its very definition self-serving, seems suspect.
Dr. Wes,
ReplyDeleteI harness greed and self-interest all the time. Do you think my dentist enjoys cleaning my teeth or lecturing me about flossing? Do the grocery workers get enthusiastic about stocking the foods I buy for what is historically an incredibly low price? Sure, there are people in many professions that do it because they love it, and would continue to work at half their pay, but I'm quite happy to work with the mercenaries, thank you. Beats the devil out of not being able to find someone to assist you when you need it.
I fit most closely on the L type, but I recognize that any system in the real world has to suck for someone. You could easily pour infinite resources into it if you wanted to. So I prefer dollar votes to political ones, and economic allocation to political allocation.
Boy, Dr Wes, have you got libertarianism all wrong. Libertarianism is about:
ReplyDelete1. Exalting the right to life, liberty and property, which implies "free market" economics, one supposes, since the alternatives, like socialism, represent theft of liberty and property.
2. Non-aggression.
Not much else. Optimism, faith in human nature, frailty & greed have nothing to do with libertarianism. Libertarianism is not concerned with non-oppressive religion, humanism, or humanitarianism.
A libertarian can be of any religion, materialistic, greedy, selfish, gay, male, female, or not.
What he can't do is support laws regarding victimless crimes, sex in strange positions, theft of the people's wealth to finance education or healthcare or any compulsion that limits liberty or transfers income or wealth.
In particular, libertarians, like Milton Friedman, denounce licensing and certification of physicians, nurses, pharmacists, lawyers, teachers, plumbers, electricians and other monopolists and oligopolists. You need to get out more, read some books, or stick to medicine or something else that you know something about!
Jehu and Jimbino -
ReplyDeleteAs you both acknowledge, the challenge for our society is that the "sucks-to-be-you" philosophy can, at times, directly conflict with our broader medical ethic.
Dr. Wes,
ReplyDeleteThe fact that it always sucks to be SOMEBODY is an inevitable consequence of the fact that we live in a world with limited resources. That's simply a readily observable result of living in a fallen world when viewed from a Christian point of view. The problem with public discourse is this:
You have a massive disadvantage in rhetorical combat when you admit that your decisions WILL suck for someone, even though that is nearly ALWAYS true. So everyone who wants power or wants power kept away from someone else in the public arena has to pretend that their plans are all sunshine and dancing unicorns. That's the problem. The most successful parties politically are the ones best at laundering their naked group interest through noble-sounding language. Personally, I prefer it when people speak plainly. I don't condemn people for advocating things simply because they're in their own self-interest, I simply object strenuously when they misappropriate moral language towards those ends. The end of the moral language arms race is war, which ends in tears.
Just posting to generally agree with Jehu, jerf, jimbino. Self-interest is an inherent human quality - attempting to deny that ends badly (see USSR, Vietnam, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc). Jehu's last post, in particular, is really good.
ReplyDeleteI found your Libertarian part to be mostly accurate in the nouns but very innacurate in the adjectives.
-I'm not "sunny optimist" about the free market, I just expect (based on the real data and examples I can find) it to do less badly (in general, on the whole, over time) than all the other options humanity has tried so far.
-My faith in human nature is pretty darn low... which I want as few of them as possible in authority over me (or as many as possible on the committee that has authority over me, that hamstrings them pretty well).
-Competition won't ASSURE price controls (not even close), but it will do a better job than the alternatives
-I don't deny human frailty or greed at all, indeed, I expect them to get in the way all the bloody time
-Cynical about humanitarianism. OK, you got this one.
I don't at all buy into the rosy picture painted by some libertarians about how perfect the libertarian (nigh-anarchic) world would be... it would still produce bad results in a significant number of cases. There would still be theft, murder, etc. But the worst excesses that people complain about are done by people in positions of power, as they are the ones who can get away with it. So... divide that power up as much as possible. Don't like large corporations? How is the government different than a large corporation? They aren't accountable to anyone!